Other Questions


The Speed of Light
The "missing helium" problem
-- comments on the RATE paper (of 2003)
More on the helium problem -- 11/15
Faster c and heat output
Biological processes
Neutrons and Cosmic Rays
Does the Universe Show False Maturity?
Future possibilities
Hydrogen spectral lines
A Series of Questions from One Correspondent
Light and Subatomic Particles
Quartz Clocks
Varying Light Speed, Relativity, and Maxwell's Equations

-- Question about tachyons
Calculating atomic vs. orbital time
Global Warming and the "Carbon Threat"
What About Gigantism in the Fossil Record?
Is the sun responsible for changes in radio decay rates?
Time and Entropy
Bradley's Measurements Questioned
Has the length of a year changed?
The Large Hadron Collider
The Higgs-Boson
Non-Orbiting Electrons?
Gravity, Light and Time
The Roger Shawyer EM Drive engine
Speed of Light and Seismic Activity
Vacuum Decay?
Time for Crystal Formation
Questions About CERN
Origin of our Magnetic Field


The Speed of Light

Question:  What is it or causes, makes light to go at 186,000 miles per second?

Setterfield: from Foundations of Physics, by Lehrman and   p. 510-511: 

“An electromagnetic wave consists of a changing electric field that generates a changing magnetic field that regenerates the electric field and so on, indefinitely.  The wave travels by transferring energy from the electric field to the magnetic field and back again, just as the wave in a spring travels by transferring energy from the potential energy of deformation to the kinetic energy of the spring’s mass and back.  Once produced, the wave continues to travel away from its source even if the oscillation that caused it no longer exists.  Maxwell was able to calculate the speed with which these electromagnetic waves travel in free space, by assuming that each change in the electric field generates a magnetic field and vice versa…The magnetic field resulting from a change in the electric field must be such as to oppose the change in the electric field, according to Lenz’s Law.  Therefore, we may think of the magnetic property of space as a kind of inertial property, inhibiting the rapid change of the fields.  The magnitude of this property is the magnetic constant of free space.  The electric constant of free space must also be brought into the picture.  Coulomb’s Law tells us that the field around a charge is proportional to the charge.  A charge represents a kind of electrical distortion of space, which produces a force on neighboring charges.  The relationship is analogous to the elastic relationship in a spring where a distortion of shape (charge) produces a force (field).  In the electric case, the constant of proportionality is the electric constant of free space, which is therefore a kind of electric elastic property of space.”

In other words, the light is propelled by the changing electric and magnetic fields.  The speed at which the light travels is dependent upon the electric-elastic property of space and the magnetic-inertial property of space. These properties are respectively called the permittivity and the permeability of space.


Question: What makes it goes faster than that?--- Nothing, right?

Setterfield: If the electric and magnetic properties of free space alter, the speed of the wave will also change.  The electric and magnetic properties of free space are determined by the zero point energy which fills all space.  If there is a change in the strength of the zero point energy at any point in space, the speed of light will also change at that point.  If zero point energy increases, the speed of light decreases.  There is a helpful way of looking at this.  Because energy exists in free space, and since Einstein’s equation shows that matter and energy are inter-convertible, the zero point energy allows the manifestation of what are called ‘virtual particle pairs.’  The greater the strength of the zero point energy, the more the number of these virtual particle pairs in any given volume of space at any given moment.  These virtual particle pairs act as obstacles to the progress of a photon of  For a more detailed laymen’s explanation here, please see the Basic Summary written by my wife. 


Question: What makes it go slower?

Setterfield: The presence or absence of virtual particle pairs determines the speed of light in space. What this means, however, is their presence, or lack of it, can make the 'thickness' of space different. You can see an example of what this does to the speed of light by sticking a straw into a glass of water. The straw appears 'broken' at the surface of the water, right? That is because the light going through water is going through a thicker, or denser, medium than when it goes through air, so it is traveling a bit more slowly. Virtual particles in space do the same thing to light -- the more of them there are, the longer it takes light to reach its final destination.


Question: Is the speed of light constant in a vacuum?

Setterfield:  At any one time, assuming the properties of the vacuum are uniform, yes, the speed of light is constant in a vacuum.  However there something called the Zero Point Energy, or ZPE, (check the ZPE section in Discussions for further information on this) which produces something called virtual particles which flash in and out of existence and they DO slow down the arrival of light at its final destination.  So any change in the ZPE out there in the vacuum will change the speed of light.  However changes in the ZPE occur throughout the universe at the same time, except for some relatively small local secondary effects -- which I am becoming convinced are connected with gravity as we know it.


The "missing helium" problem

Question: One on the evidences that I use for a young earth is the apparent "missing" helium in the atmosphere.  According to creationist literature, if the earth is really 4.6 billion years old, we are missing about 2000 times the amount of helium that should have accumulated by now.

As I understand it, this helium is being released into the atmosphere because of isotopic decay.  I think your belief that the decay rate of isotopes was much greater in the past makes a whole lot of sense and I use it as well.  The problem for me reconciling the two.  In short, if the decay rate was greater in the past, shouldn't all the "missing" helium be present in the atmosphere?

Setterfield:  The answer to this “missing helium” problem is being sought by both evolutionists and creationists. This may surprise you since the problem that evolutionists face might not be expected to be a problem to creationists. However, the creationist RATE group, which is studying the whole problem of radioactive decay and radiometric dating, is slowly swinging around to the idea of accelerated rates of radioactive decay, at least during certain specific periods of earth history, such as the time of the Flood. The model that is developing from the RATE group is “a short burst of high-rate radioactive decay and helium production, followed by 6000 years of He diffusion at today’s temperatures in the formation” [D. R. Humphreys in “Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth”, L. Vardiman et al Editors, p.346, ICR/CRS 2000]. The model that Humphreys and his RATE associates are working on envisages that “since Creation, one or more episodes occurred when nuclear decay rates were billions of times greater than today’s rates. Possibly there were three episodes: one in the early part of the Creation week, another between the Fall and the Flood, and the third during the year of the Genesis Flood” [Humphreys, op. cit., p.333]. No reason is ever given for this change in the decay rates except for it simply being a miracle of God. While I don't disagree with the existence of miracles, it seems there is a basic physical cause for this change which was not a matter of appearing suddenly two or three different times, but rather of having decreased at a specific rate for a specific time and reason. Their position contrasts with my proposition of diminishing decay rates following the form of the redshift/lightspeed curve over a somewhat more extended period.

NOTE: In 2003, the RATE group published an excellent paper on the helium question which may be found here. My comments on this paper are below.

However, the effects of this accelerated decay, no matter which of these two models is being used, is similar. Effectively, there has been a high production rate of helium in the earlier days of the earth which should yield higher amounts of helium in our atmosphere than observed at the moment. By contrast, the old creationist position was that radiometric dates were basically in error for one reason or another and that radioactive decay at today’s rate was all that existed over the last 6000 years. The result of that old creationist position was that there was no case to answer on the helium question, since none was “missing”. This older position was the one that led to the missing helium being an effective argument for a young earth. In his article in the above book by the RATE group, Humphreys indicates where some of the original thinking on this issue was incorrect through failure to note the evidence from the data. As a result of further investigation, recent creationist research has indicated that the situation may not be as straightforward as the older model had suggested.

This result then leads directly to the question that you posed. Where is the “missing” helium? The brief answer is that it is still locked up in the interior of the earth and in the rocks in the earth’s crust. Let me explain a little further. In 1999, an assessment of data collected in 1997 indicated that the bottom 1000 km of the earth’s mantle contained anomalous reservoirs of heat producing elements [“Researchers propose a new model for earth mantle convection,” MIT News Release, 31 March 1999. This is discussed in more detail in the appendix of A Brief Stellar History]. In other words, there is a layer in the earth’s interior where the radioactive elements were concentrated, and from which some have come to reside in the crust as a result of ongoing geological processes. This means that the majority of helium must still be within the earth’s mantle, not having had enough time to work its way to the surface on the contracted timescales offered by both the RATE and Setterfield models.

However, that does not account for the radioactive material which has come to reside in the crust of the earth. Where is the helium emitted by radioactive decay from that source? The possible answer is a surprise. It had been noted in 1979 by R. E. Zartman in a Los Alamos Science Laboratory Report Number LA-7923-MS that zircons from deep boreholes below the Jemez volcanic caldera in New Mexico gave an age for the granitic basement complex there of about 1.5 billion atomic years. However, when zircons from this complex were analyzed by Gentry et al in 1982, they were found to contain very large percentages of helium, despite the hot conditions [R.V. Gentry, G.L. Glish and E.H. McBay “Differential helium retention in zircons…” Geophysical Research Letters Vol.9 (1982), p.1129].  In other words, these zircon crystals had retained within them the radioactive decay products of almost 1.5 billion atomic years, without very much diffusing out.  Humphreys concludes that one of the strongest pieces of evidence for accelerated decay rates over a relatively short timespan is this high retention of radiogenic helium in microscopic zircons [op.cit., p.344, 350].  I find myself in agreement with this assessment.

Therefore the answer to your question based on these assessments is that

(1) radiogenic helium is trapped in the interior of the earth, not having had sufficient time to be brought to the surface from the radioactive layer that exists at a depth of about 1700 km, while

(2) much of that which was brought up to the crust has not diffused out from the host rocks, again because of insufficient time and also because of much lower diffusion rates than previously anticipated.

This position has at least some experimental data to support it.


Comments on the RATE paper, Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay

Setterfield: The paper by Humphreys, Baumgardner, Austin and Snelling on helium diffusion rates in zircons from the Jemez Granodiorite is an important contribution to the debate on the missing helium in our atmosphere. The Jemez Granodiorite can be found on the west flank of the volcanic Valles Caldera near Los Alamos, New Mexico, and has a radiometric date of 1.5 billion years. That places this granodiorite in the Precambrian Era geologically. As Humphreys et al report in their Abstract, “Up to 58% of the helium (that radioactivity would have generated during the … 1.5 billion year age of the granodiorite) was still in the zircons. Yet the zircons were so small that they should not have retained the helium for even a tiny fraction of that time. The high helium retention levels suggested to us…that the helium simply had not had enough time to diffuse out of the zircons…” If indeed there was not enough time for 1.5 billion atomic years worth of helium from radioactive decay the helium to diffuse out of the zircons, this implied two things. First that the radioactive decay rate must have been higher in the past, and second, that the Precambrian rocks in which they were found had an actual age much less than the atomic or radiometric age would suggest. Indeed, the authors state that the data “limit the age of these rocks to between 4,000 and 14,000 years.”

The analysis by these authors was mainly focused on zircon crystals from the granodiorite. As they point out, zircon has a high hardness, high density, and high melting point. It is also important to note that uranium and thorium atoms can replace up to 4% of the normal zirconium atoms in any given crystal. In all, seven samples were used in their analysis and were obtained from depths ranging up to 4310 metres and temperatures up to 313 degrees Celsius. An important conclusion became apparent to the authors immediately. They state: “Samples 1 through 3 had helium retentions of 58, 27 and 17 percent. The fact that these percentages are high confirms that A LARGE AMOUNT OF NUCLEAR DECAY did indeed occur in the zircons [their emphasis]. Other evidence strongly supports much nuclear decay having occurred in the past….We emphasize this point because many creationists have assumed that “old” radioisotopic ages are merely an artifact of analysis, not really indicating the occurrence of large amounts of nuclear decay. But according to the measured amount of lead physically present in the zircons, approximately 1.5 billion years worth – at today’s rates – of nuclear decay occurred. Supporting that, sample 1 still retains 58% of all the alpha particles (the helium) that would have been emitted during this decay of uranium and thorium to lead.” This statement is a pleasing development, and makes a refreshing change to some creationist approaches.

A glance at the analysis figures indicates that the helium retention levels decrease as the rock temperature increases. Another important component is the diffusion rates of the minerals surrounding the zircons, which are frequently biotite or muscovite, both forms of mica. Analysis disclosed that, in the temperature range of interest, these micas had a somewhat higher diffusion rate than the zircons. In other words, the material surrounding the zircons did not impede the outflow of helium as much as the zircons did. The analysis concluded that “the observed diffusion rates are so high that if the zircons had existed for 1.5 biollion years at the observed temperatures, samples 1 through 5 would have retained MUCH LESS HELIUM THAN WE OBSERVE [their emphasis]. This strongly implies they have not existed for nearly so long a time…In the meantime we can say the data of Table 4, considering the estimates of error, indicate an age between 4000 and 14,000 years. This is far short of the 1.5 billion year uniformitarian age!

The final section of the paper considered four alternative explanations for the data, but the authors were able to dismiss most of them readily. The first of these was the assertion that temperatures in the Jemez Granodiorite before the Pliocene-Pleistocene volcanism were low enough to make the diffusion coefficients small enough to retain the helium. The analysis of this contention concluded that for this to happen, “the pre-Pliocene temperature in the granodiorite would have to have been about -100 degrees Celsius, near that of liquid xenon…[This] demonstrates how zircons would need unrealistically low temperatures to retain large amounts of helium for … eons of time.”

A second line of defense might be to claim that the helium 4 concentration in the surrounding rock is presently about the same as in the zircons. However, the authors point out that the measured values of the helium concentration in the surrounding biotite is much lower than in the zircons. Thus helium must still be diffusing out of the zircons into the biotite. In addition, they state “the Los Alamos geothermal project made no reports of large amounts of helium (commercially valuable) emerging from the boreholes, thus indicating that there is not much free helium in the formation as a whole.”

A third objection might be to claim that the team involved made a huge mistake, and that the actual amounts of helium were really many orders of magnitude smaller than reported. A discussion in their Appendix C indicates otherwise, as also does the fact that similar data have been obtained by others from that and other formations.

The authors took some trouble to refute the fourth possibility. Basically, that possibility makes use of the geoscience concept of a ‘closure temperature’ to claim that zircons below that temperature are permanently closed systems. Thus no significant helium would be lost by diffusion and the high helium content of zircons would thereby be explained. The authors respond in the following terms: “After the zircon cools below the closure temperature, helium begins to accumulate in it…Later, as the temperature levels off to that of the surrounding rock, the diffusion coefficient becomes constant…As the amount of helium in the zircon increases, Fick’s laws of diffusion (sect.3)say the loss rate increases. Eventually, even well below the closure temperature, the loss rate approaches the production rate, an event we call the ‘reopening’ of the zircon….If the closure interval were long compared to the age of the zircon, then the zircon would indeed be a closed system. But [the data] gives us values [for the closure interval] between a few dozen years and a few thousand years depending on the temperature of the sample in the borehole. Those times are very small compared to the uniformitarian age of 1.5 billion years…Thus the closure temperature does not help uniformitarians in this case, because the closure interval is brief.”

If this new approach to the fourth problem holds up to closer scrutiny, then the authors have a strong case for their conclusion, namely that “The data and our analysis show that over a billion years worth of nuclear decay have occurred very recently, between 4,000 and 14,000 years ago…[Consequently] helium diffusion casts doubt on uniformitarian long-age interpretations of nuclear data and strongly supports the young world of Scripture.” 

The groundbreaking research is of great value to the science community as a whole, not just the creation community.  We need to be grateful for the work these men have put into this research.

More on the helium problem

Question: I got a question from Mats Molén. It is about your theory but he asked somebody else [Russ Humphreys] about it in 2005 and got the following response. He asked me if I knew if you think you have solved this problem.

The letter was sent to us, and the two paragraphs referred to are as follows:

On your other question, how our zircons relate to Setterfield's c-decay theory is very interesting.  His theory says that the higher values of c in the past caused a speed-up in atomic and nuclear processes, but not in the rate of earth's rotation.  So his theory  would say that 1.5 Gyr worth of nuclear decay took place in the zircons during (6,000 x 365) rotations of the earth. 

But atomic processes also govern diffusion, so a higher value of c in the past would also require faster diffusion than today.  Therefore it appears Setterfield would have to say that 1.5 Gyr worth of diffusion took place in our zircons.  At the high diffusion rates we measure today, most of the helium would have left the zircons during the 1.5 Gyr worth of diffusion.  But in contrast, we observe very large helium retentions in the zircons today.  Therefore it looks like the RATE zircon data have disproved Setterfield's theory. 

Setterfield: I was asked if I had responded to or “solved” the problem raised by Russ Humphreys in relation to Precambrian rocks. In one of Humphreys’ replies he specifically mentioned the problem of Helium retention in zircons. He claims that the RATE zircon crystal data show high retention rates of radiogenically produced helium in the zircons after the uranium atoms in them had decayed. The actual radiometric age of the zircons was 1.5 billion years or so.  Therefore, the argument goes that if the rocks with the zircons were really 1.5 billion years old, then all of the radiogenic helium would have diffused out of them and none would be left. The RATE data, which showed some helium retention, were then used to conclude that we had a young geological column which underwent several huge spikes in radioactive decay rates during the last 6000 years. In other words, the RATE group claimed that “helium diffusion age” was in keeping with a young cosmos only 6000 years old, while the radiometric age from the decay of uranium atoms of 1.5 billion was thereby unreliable.

Humphreys suggested to the correspondent that these data also disprove our Zero Point Energy (ZPE) Model. He did this on the basis that a lower ZPE in the past meant not only higher radioactive decay rates, but also proportionally higher diffusion rates. As a result, in the same way that standard science would expect little helium to be retained in the zircons because of billions of (atomic) years of diffusion, so also the ZPE model would expect similarly small amounts of helium to be retained because of enhanced diffusion processes over a much shorter time in actual years. Humphreys then states that the fact that more helium atoms than expected are retained in the zircons proves that the ZPE approach is wrong. The implication is that only the RATE interpretation is correct.

There are several problems with Humphreys’ proposition. First, let us look at a general principle. It is accepted that diffusion processes occur because of pressure differences due to differences in concentrations of the atoms involved. If the pressure of the gas of helium atoms inside the zircon crystal is greater than that outside, they will migrate (or diffuse) out. Conversely, if the pressure of helium atoms (a gas) outside is greater than inside the zircon crystal, then the helium will tend to migrate into the crystal. Alternately, if the pressure of the helium atom gas outside the crystal is the same as inside the crystal, migration or diffusion of helium atoms will not occur. These concepts are enshrined in Fick’s 1st Law which states that “Steady state diffusion is proportional to the concentration gradient.”

This is relevant in the case in hand since it is true that the ZPE model can have some enhanced diffusion processes over a fairly short time. Under ordinary circumstances, this would allow most helium atoms to migrate out of the zircon crystal. However, unlike the standard model, the ZPE model has the rates of radioactive decay systematically enhanced, but not in two or three “spikes” as the RATE model has. As a result, another factor is also operating. In the rock in which the zircon crystals occurred, there would have been large amounts of uranium whose continuing enhanced decay gave off a significant number of helium atoms as a by-product. In a word, the zircon crystals throughout the rock in question would have been immersed in a “bath” of helium atoms. This helium, external to the zircons, would present a much higher concentration than currently existing for an extended period. Therefore the diffusion rate of helium from within the zircon crystals would have been significantly lower or nonexistent in the early days of the rock. For this reason alone, higher than expected concentrations of helium would occur on the ZPE model in a manner not applicable to the RATE model.

Second, examination of the RATE model shows it has at least 5 flaws in either the data analysis or the modeling. Let me mention a couple.  When temperatures are high, the diffusion rate tends to increase. Alternately, when the temperatures are low, the diffusion rate is low. To get their required result, the RATE group assumed that diffusion occurred at a constant temperature throughout the entire period. This is unrealistic to say the least. A model of systematically dropping temperatures may have been more appropriate. Even better would be one with an early drop followed by a variable temperature dependent upon geologic conditions. This would also be appropriate in the case of the ZPE model. In this case, the lower ZPE strength in the early universe also means different vacuum properties and different heat flow rates occurred which may have allowed for more rapid cooling of heated rock. As a result, lower than expected temperatures may have prevailed. This has a bearing on the next problem noted with the RATE analysis.

The problem is this. At low temperatures, most helium atoms migrate away from the crystal only at the point where there are defects in the crystal structure. This means that all the helium atoms elsewhere in the crystal tend to remain trapped in. They will only move if the temperature is raised sufficiently high. So there are several different “populations” or “domains” of helium atoms to contend with. The RATE group did not even consider this in their approach, but rather used a very simple kinetic model. Dr. Gary Loechelt has pointed out that these two items alone invalidate many RATE conclusions. His own paper of September 2008 with its extensive analysis demonstrates this.

A third point has been made by Loechelt. He has noted that the RATE analysis took Gentry’s estimate for the total amount of helium produced from nuclear decay. This estimate is now known to be off by a factor of over three. Once this error is corrected, the amount of helium retained in the analysis would drop significantly. The outcome of all this is that the revised old earth model of Loechelt is in close agreement with the data and a better fit to that data than the RATE model. He produced this graph:

Loechelt graph

Others have severely criticized Humphreys analysis on similar and other grounds.

The outcome of all this is that subsequent discussions have shown that Humphreys placed too much confidence in the RATE analysis. As a result of this and other misconceptions, he drew some incorrect conclusions about our ZPE model, which is in accord with the data. I therefore suggest that your correspondent re-examine the situation and revise his own conclusions accordingly.
Barry Setterfield , 18th September , 2015.

Faster c and heat output

Question: Wouldn’t the earth and all life have fried to a crisp when light speed was faster?

Setterfield:  As far as radioactive heating turning the earth into a plasma is concerned, this is also incorrect. First, the Genesis 1:2 record indicates that the earth started off in a cold state with an ocean covering the surface. This contrasts with current astronomical paradigms, but I consider that we have an eyewitness account here.  If we that this as our starting point, plus the more rapid rate of radioactive decay. It is currently accepted that there was/is a region in the earth's mantle from about 1700 km down to a depth of 2700 km which has the radioactive elements concentrated in it.

These elements came to be incorporated in the crust by later geological processes. On this basis, calculation shows that the temperature of the core today, some 7200 years later would be about 5800 degrees with 1900 degrees now at the top of the lower mantle.

More information on this is available in Behavior of the Zero Point Energy and Atomic Constants in appendices 2 and 4.


Biological processes

Question: What about biological processes?

Setterfield:  In brief, biological processes remain essentially unaffected by variations in lightspeed, c. If the old collision theory of reactions was true, all reactions would proceed to the point of completion in a fraction of a second, even with the current speed of light. However, it can be shown that most reactions are controlled by a rate- determining step involving an activated complex. Reaction with the activated complex is dependent upon both the number of particles or ions approaching it, and the time these particles spend in the vicinity of the activated complex. As the physics of that step are worked through, it can be shown that even though there may be more ions come within reaction distance of the activated complex, proportional to c, the time that they spend in its vicinity is proportional to 1/c, so that the final result is that reaction times are unchanged with higher c values.

Consequently, brain processes, muscular contractions, rates of growth, time between generations, etc. all would occur at the same rate with higher c as they do today.

2012 Addendum -- further research has added a lot more information here. Please see this section of Behavior of the Zero Point Energy and Atomic Constants. In addition Research on Fossil Gigantism is also yielding clues.


Question: Photons possess many different energy levels. From radio waves to gamma rays. Are these "categories" dependent on wavelength or energy? If it is dependent on wave length (as all radio-technology would insist on)then sometime in the future there will be much less light and lower wavelength photons, and much more radio waves. Will we all someday be blind?

Setterfield: The energy of a photon E is given by [hf] or [hc/w] where h is Planck's constant, f is frequency, w is wavelength, and c is light-speed. Two situations exist. First, for LIGHT IN TRANSIT through space. As light-speed drops with time, h increases so that [hc] is a constant. It should be emphasised that frequency, [f], is simply the number of wave-crests that pass a given point per second. Now wavelengths [w] in transit do not change. Therefore, as light-speed c is dropping, it necessarily follows that the frequency [f] will drop in proportion to c as the number of wave-crests passing a given point will be less, since [c = fw]. Since [f] is therefore proportional to c, and [h] is proportional to [1/c], it follows that [hf] is a constant for light in transit. Since both [hc] and [w] are also constants for light in transit, this means that [hc/w] and [hf] do not alter. In other words, for light in transit, E the energy of a photon is constant, other factors being equal. 

The second situation is that pertaining at the TIME OF EMISSION. When c is higher, atomic orbit energies are lower. This happens in a series of quantum steps for the atom. Light-speed is not quantised, but atomic orbits are. As light-speed goes progressively higher the further we look back into space, so atomic orbit energies become progressively lower in quantum steps. This lower energy means that the emitted photon has less energy, and therefore the wavelength [w] is longer (redder). This lower photon energy is offset by proportionally more photons being emitted per unit time. So the total energy output remains essentially unchanged.

As a result of these processes at emission, light from distant galaxies will appear redder (the observed redshift), but there will be more photons so distant sources will appear to be more active than nearby ones. Both of these effects are observed astronomically.


Question: I'm a Christian layperson who is very interested in this ongoing debate about the speed of light.  First off, let me say that I too, like yourself, firmly believe that a natural reading of Genesis yields a young-earth creation.  After that, since I'm not a scientist, I'm not quite sure what to say about this whole thing.  The amount of material available on the internet concerning this subject is so voluminous it's difficult to get my hands around it.  In any case, I've read enough to know most secular scientists disagree with you and so do most young-earth creationists, however in the article written by your wife about the history of this debate she put forth a valid reason why many young-earth creationists are disagreeing with you (of course it's obvious why most secular scientists disagree).

To make a long story short, I've been reading stuff on your website and you seem to have considered many of the implications of a decrease in c, but since my knowledge of science is limited, I'm not quite sure how qualified I am to make such a judgment.  Nevertheless, from what I've been reading, I respect your work and would appreciate a short response to a couple of questions. [note:  the second question concerned relativity and may be found hereIt is the third question down in this section.]

It seems that aside from accusations about the mishandling of the data (which your friend Alan Montgomery appears to have handled), some say that a high c in the past would have affected biological life processes.  What is your response to them?

Setterfield:  Thank you for your comments and question. Let me see if I can answer your points satisfactorily 

You point out that some claim that a higher value for lightspeed would affect biological processes. This is based on the fact that some atomic processes are faster when lightspeed is higher. However, as is shown on our website in Behavior of the Zero Point Energy and Atomic Constants, in this section, this does not affect reaction rates, and hence biological processes remain unchanged. This is the case because energy is being conserved throughout any changes in the speed of light. In turn, this means that other associated atomic constants are also varying in a way that mutually cancel out any untoward effects. Another way of looking at it is to see biological processes as occurring at the level of molecules rather than at the subatomic level. At the molecular level, the basic quantity that is governing effects is the electronic charge. This has remained constant throughout time and so that molecular interactions remain unchanged. 


Question: My only constant question with regard to your theory is that if overall neutron flux was greater in the early days of creation, and if that greater flux would account for anomalies in carbon-14 measurements, then the greater flux would be commensurately more destructive to living tissues. This is entirely separate from the effect of velocity/energy change of alpha, beta, and gamma decay processes, and their effect on tissues.  If the velocity of the neutrons was much greater then than now, hence less destructive, they would be also less likely to interact with nitrogen-14. Wherever the neutrons came from (sun, stars, local decay) they would presumably be subject to the same universal c-decay.

Setterfield: In response to this, there has been a recent article pointing out that in the early earth all radioactive elements were contained within a narrow band some 2000 km below the surface of the earth, in the mantle.  I think mention is made of this in "A Brief Earth History", and the reference is in there.

The more rapid rate of decay earlier in history, particularly in antediluvian times, will mean that there was a greater flux of neutrons. However, these were confined to the earth's interior prior to the Flood.  It is only as a result of the Flood processes that some of this material was lifted to the surface, thereby becoming dangerous.  By this time, the speed of light had dropped dramatically, thereby also dramatically decreasing the neutron flux.   

There is another point to consider as well.  When the speed of light was higher, the half-life of the released neutron was also much shorter. Therefore the distance traveled by the free neutrons before decay would be the same as today at a maximum, and possibly much less.  This would therefore restrict the range over which any potential damage to living tissue could be done.   

In the final part of question 4, you mention that the interaction of neutrons with Nitrogen 14 may also have been less when the speed of light was higher.  This does have implications for the build-up of Carbon 14 in our atmosphere.   

I hope this helps.


Neutrons and Cosmic Rays

CommentIncreased C14 rate is a function of increased N14 damage. However we argue increased speed/decreased half-life, etc., damaged N14 means more damage to life systems. So, we are damaging a lot more N14 in the atmosphere, and, for example, in proteins. 

If there is less interaction with life processes because of higher neutron-speed, there is less interaction with N14.

Setterfield: I think that you are misunderstanding something here. When lightspeed is higher, any lump of radioactive matter will decay more quickly. If neutrons are involved, then with a higher decay rate there will also be more of them. However, the only material emitting neutrons on the early earth was the band of radioactive material deep inside the earth's mantle. There the flux of neutrons was greater, BUT since it was deep inside the earth, these neutrons never reached the surface and so no living tissue was damaged by them. It was due to the Flood process that this material started to be brought to the surface and cause damage. This is one likely reason why the lifespan of the patriarchs dropped dramatically after the Flood and after the continental division in the days of Peleg. In each case, there was a bottleneck in the population and in each case there was a significant amount of radioactive material brought to the surface which probably did genetic damage. 

The additional point I want to mention involves nitrogen 14, neutrons, and the production of carbon 14. Nitrogen 14 interacts with atmospherically produced neutrons to form C14 and a proton. The question in this case is the origin of these atmospheric neutrons. Their production is dependent entirely on the number of cosmic rays impinging on our atmosphere from the depths of space. An additional consideration is the number of solar flares which produce magnetic storms that affect the earth's magnetic field. This magnetic field shields the earth from some cosmic rays by deflecting them away from the planet. As a consequence, the earth's magnetic field plays a part in the process of neutron production. But the prime unknown in the whole neutron production scenario is the flux of cosmic rays from space. We need to look at this.  (I might mention that there is a significant body of research indicating that the magnetic field of the earth was stronger in the past.  If this is true, then more cosmic rays would have been deflected, actually helping life on earth to thrive.) 

By April of 2002 it was established that there are two sources for cosmic rays, and that nearly 90% of cosmic rays were high speed protons, about 9% were alpha particles (helium nuclei) and about 1% were electrons with about 0.25% being nuclei of other elements. The high energy cosmic rays appear to originate in the cores of distant galaxies where quasars once shone out with super brilliance. During the initial period when the cores of galaxies were active quasars, the massive radiation produced would dampen cosmic ray acceleration, thereby sapping most of their energy. It was only when the quasar became dormant around the remaining super-massive black hole that the environment was favourable for the production of high energy cosmic rays.  

High energy cosmic rays have been shown to be associated with 4 nearby elliptical galaxies with spinning super-massive black holes containing at least 100 million solar masses. Elihu Boldt from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre reported their findings at a joint meeting of the American Physical Society and the American Astronomical Society in Albuquerque [Science News, 27 April, 2002 in a review by Ron Cowan]. Under these circumstances, it becomes apparent that high energy cosmic rays were not produced in the early cosmos but became prominent some significant length of time later. Neutrons from that source would thus not be part of the early earth's atmospheric envelope. Radiation damage caused by neutrons from high energy cosmic rays would thereby be minimal, as would be the production of C14 in the early days of earth history. 

A second source of cosmic rays lies within our own galaxy and produces the low energy variety. The findings of a second study published in Nature for 25 April, 2002 by Enomoto and his colleagues reported that cosmic rays have for the first time been positively linked to a supernova remnant. It had been known for some time that calculations indicated that supernova remnants were the only possible environment for these particles to be accelerated to high enough velocities apart from super-massive black holes. The supernova remnant is a shell of material blown out from a central star that has exploded. Shock waves traveling through this material can accelerate cosmic ray particles up to the required energies.  

But that is not the end of the story. The tangled web of magnetic fields within our galaxy (and typically for all galaxies) traps (and sometimes accelerates) the low energy cosmic ray particles within the galaxy. Thus the numbers of low energy cosmic rays build up with time rather like water being trapped in a dam on a river. As a consequence, the low energy cosmic ray flux becomes greater with time. In addition to this, the number of supernova remnants also builds up with time. It would therefore appear that the production of neutrons in the earth's atmosphere by low energy cosmic rays would become greater with time, and that the production of C14, and radiation damage from that source would be minimal in the early days of earth history.  


Does the Universe Show False Maturity?

Question:  Is the universe mature or does it just appear mature? Are there any ways to observationally differentiate between a mature universe and an apparently mature universe? If a globular cluster looks like it is 13 GY old and has a population of stars that give that appearance, it is 13 GY old for all intents and purposes. There is no difference. In this vein, why would God create a nearly dead star, a White dwarf, a core of a star that has had its atmosphere discharged in a planetary nebula episode after it has extinguished its nuclear fuel? Does God create all things new or would he create "old" dead objects. Was the soil in the garden of Eden filled with decaying vegetatable and animal matter? Were there bones and fossils in the sediments below the soil? A dead star equates well with a fossil, I believe. Would God create either?

Setterfield: Inherent within the redshift data for cDK is an implied age for the cosmos both on the atomic clock and on the dynamical or orbital clock. These ages are different because the two clocks are running at different rates. The atomic clock runs at a rate that is proportional to light speed, and can be assessed by the redshift. Originally this clock was ticking very rapidly, but has slowed over the history of the universe. By contrast, the dynamical or orbital clock runs at a uniform rate. The atomic clock, from the redshift data, has ticked off at least 15 billion atomic years. By contrast, the orbital clock, since the origin of the cosmos, has ticked off a number of years consistent with the patriarchal record in the Scriptures. (1/29/99)

For further material on sedimentation and the early earth, please see "A Brief Earth History".


Future possibilities

Question: I have read some of your articles on the issue of the speed of light and I am fascinated by the idea that the speed of light may be changing. I am wondering if you believe that it will someday be possible to increase the speed of light for technological applications such as computers, communications and starships. Any of your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Setterfield:  Yes, I guess it's theoretically possible to alter the characteristics of the vacuum locally in order to increase the speed of light, and this may have implications and applications for starships.  However, these applications may be a considerable way into the future.  We can alter the structure of the vacuum locally in the Casimir effect in which the speed of light perpendicular to the plates increases.  This effect, however, is small because only a limited number of waves at the zero point field are excluded from between the plates.  Haisch, Rueda, and Puthoff are in fact examining a variety of possibilities with NASA in these very areas for spaceship propulsion.  More locally, I envisage a time when it may be possible to change the characteristics of the vacuum in a large localised container in which radioactive waste may be immersed.  As a consequence, the half-lives would be shortened and the decay processes speeded up, but there would be no more energy given off in that container than if the material was decaying at the normal rate outside.  The energy density would be remaining constant.

What happens in this kind of thing is that the energy density is determined by the permittivity and permeability of free space.  When the speed of light is high, the permittivity and permeability are low, proportional to 1/c.  As a consequence, the energy density of emitted wavelengths is also proportional to 1/c.  However, because radioactive decay effectively has a 'c' term in the numerator for each of the decay sequences, this means that there will be c times as much radiation emitted.  However, because the energy density of the radiation is only 1/c times as great, the effective energy density remains constant.

Under these circumstances, some practical applications of this may be possible in the forseeable future, but a lot of development would still have to occur.


Hydrogen spectral lines

Question: In a recent book I've read (Show Me God by Fred Heeren) they make the objection to CDK by stating how the spectral lines of hydrogen show no changes.  They claim that the hydrogen spectral line at 21 cm should vary along with the speed of light, and since it hasn't, this rules out CDK.  I have no idea how to answer this objection.  Any thoughts?

Setterfield:  Regarding the spectral lines of hydrogen question:  this is a common statement by those who have not looked in any detail at the cDK hypothesis.  It shows a complete misunderstanding of what is happening.  When the speed of light is higher, there is no change in the wavelength of emitted radiation.  So the wavelengths of hydrogen and its spectral lines will be unchanged by the changing speed of light.  What does change is the *frequency* of light in transit, because light speed equals wavelength times frequency.  Because wavelength is constant, frequency changes lockstep with the speed of light.  Therefore, as light speed changes in transit, the frequency automatically changes, so that when light arrives at the observer on earth, no difference in frequency of a specific wavelength will be noted compared with laboratory standards.  At the moment of emission, the wavelength of a given spectral light is the same as our laboratory standard, but the frequency, which is the number of waves passing per second, will be higher proportional to c.  In transit those wavelengths remain constant, but as lightspeed decays, the frequency drops accordingly, so that, at the moment of reception, the frequency of light from any given spectral line will be the same as the observer's standard.  The wavelength will also be unchanged.

One point should be re-emphasised in view of current scientific convention.  Convention places emphasis on frequency rather than wavelength, but frequency is a derived quantity, whereas wavelength is basic.  So if you have a constant wavelength at emission, and that wave train is traveling faster, you will inevitably have a higher frequency.


A Series of Questions from One Correspondent

Question #1: Setterfield assumes that the beginning of the universe is (from the moment We can observe anything at all) very small, hot, dense in energy and very rapidly expanding. Somewhere else he said (if I understood it right) that after two days the universe had its maximum size. Is that right?

Setterfield: I have assumed that at the very beginning of the cosmos it was in a small, hot dense state for two reasons. First, there is the observational evidence from the microwave background. Second there is the repeated testimony of Scripture that the lord formed the heavens and "stretched them out." I have not personally stipulated that this stretching out was completed by day 2 of Creation week. That has come from Lambert Dolphin's interpretation of events. What we can say is that it was complete by the end of the 6th day. It may well have been that the stretching out process was completed by the end of the first day from a variety of considerations. I have yet to do further thinking on that. Notice that any such stretching out would have been an adiabatic process, so the larger the cosmos was stretched, the cooler it became. We know the final temperature of space, around 2.7 degrees Absolute, so if it has been stretched out as the scripture states, then it must have been small and hot, and therefore dense initially, as all the material in the cosmos was confined in that initial hot ball.

Question #2: In expanding so rapidly there was a conversion of potential energy to the ZPE (what is the difference between zero-point energy and zero-point radiation?). This was not completed in two days but needed a longer period of time, about 3000 years (?)

Setterfield: Please distinguish here between what was happening to the material within the cosmos, and the very fabric of the cosmos itself, the structure of space. The expansion cooled the material enclosed within the vacuum allowing the formation of stars and galaxies. By contrast, the fabric of space was being stretched. This stretching gave rise to a tension, or stress within the fabric of space itself, just like a rubber band that has been expanded. This stress is a form of potential energy. Over the complete time since creation until recently, that stress or tension has exponentially changed its form into the zero-point energy (ZPE). The ZPE manifests itself as a special type of radiation, the zero-point radiation (ZPR) which is comprised of electromagnetic fields, the zero-point-fields (ZPF). These fields give space its unique character.

Question #3: Connected to this there was also a rapid decline in the speed of light, Because higher ZPE level puts a kind of "brake" on the speed of light because of higher permeability and permittivity (OK?).

Setterfield: Yes! As more tensional energy (potential energy) became exponentially converted into the ZPE (a form of kinetic energy), the permittivity and permeability of the vacuum of space increased, and light-speed dropped accordingly.

Question #4: As more energy came available in the world space, matters had to run at a higher energy level, causing the emitted light spectrum to be shifted in the blue direction.

Setterfield: Yes! It has been shown by Harold Puthoff in 1987 that it is the ZPE which maintains the particles in their orbits in every atom in the cosmos. When there was more ZPE, or the energy density of the ZPF became higher, each and Every atomic orbit took up a higher energy level. Each orbit radius remained fixed, but the energy of each orbit was proportionally greater. Light emitted from all atomic processes was therefore more energetic, or bluer. This process happened in jumps as atomic processes are quantised.

Question #5: Let me think what that means for the redshift case. Stars and galaxies not too distant have sent their original more redshifted light to the earth Already a long time ago. Now they sent only the "standard" spectrum.

Setterfield: Yes! The stars within our own milky way galaxy will not exhibit any quantum redshift changes. The first change will be at the distance of the Magellanic clouds. However, even out as far as the Andromeda nebula (part of our local group of galaxies and 2 million light-years away) the quantum redshift is small compared with the actual Doppler shift of their motion, And so will be difficult to observe.

Question: #6: Very distant galaxies have still not succeeded in sending us all their "redshifted" light, but this will reach us in due time (how long? Millions of years, I suspect?). This must be the reason that the redshift increases with greater distance of the stars.

Setterfield: That is correct! Because these distant galaxies are so far away their emitted light is taking a long time to reach us. This light was therefore emitted when atoms were not so energetic and so is redder than now. Essentially we are looking back in time as we look out to the distant galaxies, and the further we look back in time, the redder was the emitted Light. The light from the most distant objects comes from about 20 billion light-years away. This light has reached us in 7,700 years. The light initially traveled very fast, something like 1010 times its current speed, But has been slowing in transit as the energy density (and hence the permittivity and permeability) of space has increased.

Question #7: Is there any answer to the question if the light of even the most distant galaxies has reached the earth from the very beginning? Is there any reasoning for it?

Setterfield: Yes! There is an answer. When the speed of light was about 1010 times its current speed as it was initially, observers on earth could see objects 76,000 light years away by the end of the first day of creation week. That is about the diameter of our galaxy. Therefore the intense burst of light from the centre of our galaxy could be seen half way through the first day of creation week. This intense burst of light came from the Quasar-like processes that occurred in the centre of every galaxy initially.

Every galaxy had ultra-brilliant, hyperactive centres; ours was no exception. After one month light from galaxies 2.3 million light years Away would be visible from earth. This is the approximate radius of our local group of galaxies. So the Andromeda spiral galaxy would be visible by then. After one year, objects 27 million light-years away would be visible if telescopes were employed. We now can see to very great distances. However, since we do not know the exact size of the cosmos, we do not know if we can see right back to the "beginning."

Question #8: That this redshift caused by the rising ZPE level goes in jumps is clear to me, it is caused by the quantum-like behaviour of matter.

Setterfield: Absolutely correct!

Question #9: Setterfield mentions the "highly energetic" beginning of the universe, but The ZPE was low at that time. How was this early energy represented? In a kind of "proto-matter" or something like that?

Setterfield: The highly energetic beginning of the universe was referring to the contents of the cosmos, the fiery ball of matter-energy that was the raw material that God made out of nothing, that gave rise to stars and galaxies as it cooled by the stretching out process. By contrast, the ZPE was low, Because the tensional energy in the fabric of space had not changed its form into the ZPE. A distinction must be made here between the condition of the contents of the cosmos and the situation with regards to the fabric of space itself. Two different things are being discussed. Note that at the beginning the energy in the fabric of space was potential energy from the stretching out process. This started to change its form into radiation (the ZPE) in an exponential fashion. As the tensional potential energy changed its form, the ZPE increased.


Light and Subatomic Particles

Correspondent: I have made the mistake of reading several texts on physics/astronomy designed for lay-readers (including "A brief History of Time") and am now left with a few questions that I can not find the answer to, at least in terms that I can understand.  It's annoying me...  These questions are probably completely trivial, so I wondered whether you or one of your colleagues could suggest where I may find answers to these then I would be extremely grateful [I do have a scientific background, but in organic chemistry (nothing mathematical)].

I'll try and write this questions as concisely as possible...

My understanding is that anything that interacts with the Higgs boson will have mass and the maximum (theoretical) speed a massive object can attain would be equal to the speed of light.  This is the speed of light as measured in a vacuum [c].  I understand though that in other media, the speed of light can be less than c and it is therefore possible for certain massive particles to travel faster than the speed of light in that particular medium giving off Cherenkov radiation.

However, we're informed that a vacuum is not completely empty but consists of many real particles [e.g. hydrogen atoms, the Higgs boson (if it exists?)] and a whole gamut of virtual particles.

From this I wondered whether the speed of light 'c' measured in this far-from-empty vacuum was actually the fastest speed that light could attain, or whether light would travel even faster in a completely empty vacuum (were this creatable).  If so, then if c is the speed of light in the medium we know as a vacuum, then would it be possible for a particle to have a speed greater than light in this medium?  If so, then I guess we would have spotted its associated Cherenkov radiation and I have not read that this is the case.  I've heard of tachyons, but I don't know if these are simply "postulated" particles.

The next question that sprung from this is as follows.  As a particle accelerates, it becomes more massive in accordance with the theory of relativity and therefore more energy is needed to continue acceleration.  As this particle approaches the speed of light then the mass approaches infinity and therefore the energy required approaches infinity.  My question was why does this limit occur when the speed is c?  What's so special about c; why is light limited to this speed?  If light is does not interact with the Higgs boson then it must be mass-less so what physical phenomenon actually limits it to the speed c?

And finally, if mass increases with speed then does this mean that an object interacts with the Higgs more strongly or does it mean that it interacts with more Higgs bosons?

Setterfield:   First, the matter of the Higgs boson. Although it has been searched for, there is as yet no hard experimental evidence for its existence - we are still waiting for that. As for its role in mass through interaction, I strongly suggest that you read an important article entitled "Mass Medium" by Marcus Chown in New Scientist for 3rd Feb. 2001, pp.22-25. There it is pointed out that, even if the Higgs is proven to exist, it may not be the answer we seek.

Instead, an alternative line of enquiry is opening up in a very positive way. This line of enquiry traces its roots to Planck/Einstein/Nernst and can reproduce the results of quantum physics through the effects of the Zero-point Energy (ZPE) of the vacuum. Those following this line of study can account for mass through the ineraction of the ZPE with massless point charges (as in quarks). Indeed, gravitational, inertial and rest-mass can all be shown to have their origin in the effects of the ZPE. This mass comes from the "jiggling" of massless particles as the electromagnetic waves of the ZPE impact upon the particles.

This links back to another query that you had, namely the reason for the speed of light in the vacuum. This speed, c, is related to the ZPE through the manifestation of virtual particle pairs in the paths of photons. As photons travel through the vacuum, there is a continual process of absorption of the photon by virtual particles, followed very shortly after by its re-emission as the virtual particle pairs annihilate. This process, while fast, does take a finite time to accomplish.  Its akin to a runner going over hurdles. Between hurdles the runner maintains his maximum speed, but the hurdles impede progress. The more hurdles over a set distance, the longer it takes to complete the course. This is essentially the reason for the slowing of light in glass, or water etc. Atoms absorb photons, become excited, and then re-emit the photons of light.  The denser the substance, the slower light travels.

Importantly, the strength of the ZPE governs the number of virtual particles in the paths of photons. It has been shown that when the energy density of the ZPE is decreased, (as in the Casimir effect where the energy density of the vacuum is reduced between two parallel metal plates), then lightspeed will be faster.  The reason is that there are fewer virtual particles per unit length for light photons to interact with. It has been shown that this process can account for the electric permittivity and magnetic permeability of the vacuum. A summary of some of this can be found in an article by S. Barnett in Nature, Vol.344 (1990) p.289. A more comprehensive study by Latorre et al in Nuclear Physics B Vol.437 (1995), p.60-82 stated in conclusion that "Whether photons move faster or slower than c [the current speed of light] depends only on the lower or higher energy density of the modified vacuum respectively".  Thus a vacuum with a lower energy density for the ZPE will result in a higher speed of light than a vacuum where the energy density of the ZPE is higher.

On the matter of tachyons, an important item is currently being considered. Just as virtual particles exist with the ZPE, so also do virtual tachyons. A recent study has shown that the Cherenkov radiation from these virtual tachyons can account accurately for the microwave background [T. Musha, Journal of Theoretics, June/July 2001 Vol.3:3].

Your final question relates to the increase in mass with increase in speed of particles. Again the reason can be found in the ZPE.  As mentioned in the New Scientist article referred to above, radiation from the ZPE essentially bounces of the accelerating charge and exerts a pressure which we call inertia.  The faster the movement, the greater the pressure from the ZPE, and so the greater the inertial mass. This has been demonstrated in a mathematically rigorous way in peer-reviewed journals and a consistent theory is emerging from these studies.

I hope this is of assistance. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me.


Correspondent:  As previously mentioned, your reply below has proved invaluable to me; once again, many thanks.

However, I do have two (hopefully final) questions arising from your reply that I'd like to pose to you.

The first is this: my knowledge of these virtual particle pairs is next-to-nothing.  However from my knowledge of chemistry (admittedly studied approximately 10 years ago and probably recalled incorrectly), I understand that when an atom absorbs a photon and then re-radiates it, the direction in which the photon is re-radiated is not necessarily the same as the direction of the original photon.  There are of course factors affecting the direction, but for an essentially spherical excited atom that is not in an electric/magnetic field, it could be in any direction, particularly if the emission is not instantaneous.  This obviously is not the case for these virtual particles, otherwise light would not be seen to travel in a straight line.  Presumably, the current models explain this successfully - is there a lay-man's explanation you could give me?

The second:  Again, from my chemistry background, I know that the absorption of photons is regulated by quantum effects and that the energy of the photon absorbed is the same as the energy difference between the ground-state and excited-state orbitals. It appears to be the case that all frequencies of light are absorbed equally by these virtual particles - if this were not the case then gamma rays and radio waves (and all frequencies in between) would not travel at the same speed; c.  Quarks etc have no discernable internal structure (as far as I'm aware) - so again, would it be possible to give a lay-man's description to the absorption/emission process occurring?

Many, many thanks again!

Setterfield:  Your first question is in fact two-fold – it concerns the behaviour of a light beam transmitted by atoms in a transparent medium compared with the behaviour of light transmitted through the vacuum that includes virtual particles.

In the first instance you state “that when an atom absorbs a photon and then re-radiates it, the direction in which the photon is re-radiated is not necessarily the same as the direction of the original photon.” My response to this follows the approach adopted by Jenkins and White, Fundamentals of Optics third edition section 23.10 entitled ‘Theory of Dispersion’, pp.482 ff. The initial point that they make is that as any electromagnetic wave traverses the empty space between molecules, it will have the velocity that it possesses in free space. But your question effectively asks something slightly different, namely, how is it possible for the light wave to be propagated in substantially the same direction as it was initially traveling in?

You point out that atoms effectively scatter and/or re-emit the incoming photons in any direction. But here Jenkins and White make an important point. They demonstrate that “the scattered wavelets traveling out laterally from the [original] beam [direction] have their phases so arranged that there is practically complete destructive interference. But the secondary waves traveling in the same direction as the original beam do not thus cancel out but combine to form sets of waves moving parallel to the original waves” (their emphasis). I think that this deals with the first aspect of your question.

The second aspect of the question essentially asks why the original direction of a light photon is maintained after it has been absorbed by a virtual particle pair and re-emitted upon their annihilation. In other words, why does the emitted photon travel in the same direction as the original photon? In order to easily visualize why, it may be helpful to look at this in a slightly different way which is still nonetheless correct. One may consider a traveling photon to be briefly transformed into a virtual particle pair of the same energy as the original photon. Furthermore, the dynamics of the situation dictate that this particle pair will move forward in the original photon’s direction of travel. However, the virtual particle pair will travel a distance of less than one photon wavelength before they annihilate to create a new photon with characteristics indistinguishable from the old one. This whole process complicates the smooth passage of photons of all energies through space by making the photon travel more slowly. This is explicable since on this approach the photon spends a fraction of its existence as a virtual particle pair which can only travel in the direction of the original photon’s motion at sub-light velocities. Implicit in this whole explanation is the fact that both virtual particles and the new light photon must all move in the same direction as the original photon, which then answers your question. 

This explanation also impinges on your final question. This effectively asks why photons of all energies are uniformly affected by the process of absorption by the virtual particles, which thereby ensures that photons of all energies (or wavelengths) travel at the same velocity. If the alternative explanation given above is followed through, the original photon transforms into a virtual particle pair, which then annihilate to give the original photon. On this basis, it immediately becomes apparent that the energy (and wavelength) of the virtual particle pair results directly from the energy of the original photon, and this energy is then conserved in all subsequent interactions.

I trust that this answers your questions. If you have further issues, please do not hesitate to get back to me.


Quartz Clocks

Question:  I understand the oscillation  of a quartz crystal to be a mechanical effect (piezo-electric) rather than an atomic effect and so I would assume they are not be affected by the increase in the zero point energy. Is this true?

Setterfield:  If the oscillation is entirely mechanical (piezo-electric effect), then it will not be affected by any changes in the ZPE.   There are, however, some elements which are mechanical, and others which seem to be atomic (Is the behavior of the molecules themselves atomic or mechanical in this case?).  However, if we go with the observations, the measurements done on the speed of light using quartz oscillator clocks did in fact show a decrease in the speed of light over time.  This contrasts with atomic clocks which have run rates in synch with the speed of light, and therefore cannot show c as changing.  Because the quartz clocks are showing the change, this seems to indicate that they are not affected – or as affected (?) – by a changing ZPE.  If they were affected by the ZPE, they would show no change in the speed of light at all.

Quartz oscillator clocks came in around 1949-1950.  The speed of light had, at this point, already been declared constant by Birge;  however it was not until the atomic clock measurements of the early eighties that the speed of light was ‘officially’ declared constant.  So there were some measurements taken after Birge, and the decay was showing up as continuing.  This was measured using those quartz clocks, so the observational evidence we have from this indicates that the ZPE changes are not affecting them.

This needs more research, obviously, but these are my current feelings about the matter.


Calculating atomic vs. orbital time

Question: Do you have a formula for calculating the actual age ( in orbital years) when you have been given the atomic age (eg X million years ago). I have looked on your website and through your papers, but the closest I could find was one for calculating the speed of light at different times and that wasn't one I was after. Does something exist where, when you get a newspaper item saying something has been dated at (whatever) million years, you can put this into a formula and find out roughly when it was and thus if it was in recorded history?

For example, I am thinking of the Australian Aborigines claiming to be here 40,000 years ago: roughly when was this? ( I am thinking of an aboriginal woman at Church who would be very interested in knowing roughly when it was, as otherwise how can she reconcile that with Creation 4 or 5 thousand years ago?)

Setterfield: Thanks for the question. The response is YES! there is a formula for calculating orbital years from atomic years. The formula and actual examples of how it is used can be found in our web article "Data & Creation: The ZPE - Plasma Model."

If you go to equations (14) to (20) you will see how to do it. On the other hand, if the math is a problem, here is a brief synopsis:

5680 BC = Creation -12.3 billion atomic years
3424 BC = Flood - 840 million atomic years
about 3200 BC = Babel - 250 million atomic years
3025 BC = Peleg continental division - 65 million atomic years
2992 BC = end of redshift curve = 10 million atomic years
2800 BC = oscillation curve predominates - about 5000 atomic years
So for the example of Australian Aborigines and 40,000 years atomic age, this corresponds to the time between 2800 and 2992 BC. There are two Tables at the end of the article which also give this information summary and relate it to archaeology. They can be located here.

If you need further help after reading the article, please get back to me.


Global Warming and the "Carbon Threat"

Question: In view of the politicization of the whole global warming issue by Al Gore and the like, I wonder how much of the carbon problem is hyped up by people who want to make money.

In other words, is the carbon threat real?

Setterfield: I refer you to the work of Henrik Svensmark, head of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at the Danish National Space Center, and his co-workers. It starts with the cosmic ray flux from outside our solar system due to supernova explosions and other interstellar processes.  When these cosmic rays reach the lower atmosphere, they ionize the air, releasing electrons that aid in the formation of cloud condensation nuclei.  When the cosmic ray flux is high, so, too, is cloud formation and this reflects more solar energy into space, cooling the planet. 

The next important link comes from Solar activity. When the Sun is active, the solar wind (and its associated electric and magnetic fields), deflect the cosmic rays around the earth and prevent them from entering our atmosphere. Thus cloud-formation is reduced, less solar radiation is reflected back into space, and the planet inevitably heats up. So global warming occurs when the sun becomes more active. Importantly, we find Mars and other planets are also heating up at the same time as earth.

The next important clue is something with which most of us are familiar. When you heat up a soda pop bottle, the carbon dioxide comes out of solution. As the earth heats up, so, too, do the oceans. They then give up a portion of their dissolved carbon dioxide which goes into the atmosphere and boosts the CO2 contents there. So it is not human activity that is boosting the carbon content, but solar activity. But we can go further.

This warming increases the temperature gradient between the equator and the poles. This means that the mechanism that drives our atmospheric processes is more energetic. Consequently, we get greater extremes in our weather, while the average position only changes marginally. Therefore storms are becoming more violent. About five years ago, New Scienist reported that the average height of storm waves in the Atlantic had increased by 10% since the 1960's and oil rigs etc. were having to take this into account. This calls to mind the comment in Luke 21:25 that the sea and the waves would be roaring just before the Lord's Return. This then links with the statement in Revelation 16:8 that indicates the sun would become hotter and Isaiah 30:26 which also states that the moon would become brighter. From these references, it would seem possible that we are at the beginning of something which is potentially important. However, our attempts at regulating the carbon balance may not make any significant difference.

an additional note:

Just a brief note on another aspect of the Carbon debate. It all began with an Oceanographer named Roger Revelle who became the Director of the Scripps Oceanographic Institute in La Jolla, San Diego. Among others he hired Hans Suess, a noted chemist from the University of Chicago, and co-authored a paper with him in 1957. That paper raised the possibility that carbon dioxide might be creating a greenhouse effect and causing atmospheric warming, and resulted from Suess's interest in carbon in the environment from fossil fuels. Basically, the paper was a reason to obtain more funding for carbon research. Revelle then hired a Geochemist named David Keeling to devise a method to measure the atmospheric carbon dioxide content. In 1960 Keeling published his first paper which showed an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and linked it with burning of fossil fuels. These two papers became the foundation of the science on global warming, even though they offered no proof that carbon dioxide was a greenhouse gas. Nor did they explain how 300 to 400 parts per million of this gas in our atmosphere could have any significant effect on temperatures. Several hypotheses emerged in the 1970's and 1980's on how this 40 hundredths of one percent might cause significant warming, and as a consequence, the money and environmental claims kept building up.

There is another link in this chain. Back in the 1960's this research came to the attention of Canadian born UN bureaucrat named Maurice Strong. Strong was interested in achieving world government through the UN, and was interested in any issue that could further that aim. The research on global warming through carbon dioxide caught his interest. He organized a World Earth Day event in Stockholm, Sweden in 1970, and developed a committee of scientists, environmentalists and political operatives from the UN to continue a series of such meetings. Strong then developed the concept that the UN could demand payment from the advanced nations for climate change damage from their burning of fossil fuels to benefit underdeveloped nations; in other words, a carbon tax. In order to do this, he needed stronger scientific evidence, so he championed the establishment of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. All those in this diverse group obtained UN funding to produce the science needed to prove that the carbon dioxide problem required that the burning of fossil fuels should be stopped. Over the past 25 years they have been very effective. Hundreds of scientific papers, four major international meetings, and untold news stories about a climatic Armageddon, as well as a Nobel Prize shared with Al Gore have all emminated from this UN IPCC.

However, the person who started this whole scenario, Roger Revelle, co-authored a paper in 1991 with Chauncey Starr of the Electric Power Institute, and Fred Singer of the US Weather Satellite Service in the journal "Cosmos." They urged more research and begged scientists and governments not to move too fast to curb carbon dioxide emissions because the true impact of CO2 was not at all certain. While Al Gore has dismissed Revelle's about turn as the actions of a senile old man, Dr Singer noted that Revelle was considerably more certain that caution was justified than he was of the original proposal [John Coleman: The Amazing Story behind the Global Warming Scam].


What About Gigantism in the Fossil Record?

Question: Recently a story came out about gigantic rat fossils in Timor How do you explain these?

Setterfield: These rats in Timor were large by comparison with today's usual varieties. That is one thing. However, there are a series of fossils types throughout the geological column whose giantism (not just abnormally large sizes) poses some very difficult problems. For example, dragonflies in the Paleozoic Era, about 300 million atomic years ago, had wingspans of about 3 feet or so with the rest of their bodies proportionally larger. The scorpions in the Paleozoic, the eurypterids, attained sizes of the order of 8 feet long. One magnificent specimen used to stand at the entrance to the Museum in Adelaide South Australia. It was guaranteed to impress, if not unnerve, the first-time visitor. We are all familiar with the largest land animals th at ever lived, namely the dinosaurs. But there is an ongoing debate in geological/paleonto logical circles as to how such magnificent beasts could function. The problem is that, at face value, nerve impulses from the tail of, say, Diplodicus, would take of the order of 2 to 3 seconds to get the message to his brain. This gives an unrealistic response time to any problem the dinosaur had back there. Although a number of solutions have been suggested, none has taken the geological community by storm, and they are not viable explanations for the large variety of similar problems elsewhere in the geological column. But there is, potentially at least, a common answer to all these puzzles.

The answer lies in the fact that the strength of the Zero Point Energy (ZPE) was lower back in the past. This means that the electric and magnetic properties of the vacuum were different. In addition, electric currents were stronger, voltages were higher, and electrons and ions moved faster. This has implications for plasma physics and the EU (Electric Universe) approach, since it may well provide an explanation as to why the ancients saw things in the heavens which we do not today. Be that as it may, the point that immediately grabs our attention is that the nervous systems of all animals, and many of their bodily functions, are electrical in nature. Nerves conduct electrical impulses. Bodily functions are often performed through ion transfer which deals with electrical charges. Thus nerve impulses traveled more swiftly and more efficiently when the ZPE was lower, and any bodily function involving ion transfer would also benefit. This would make the heart, brain and other organs much more efficient systems than we have today. 

The limiting size for insects such as the dragonfly and the eurypterids is largely determined by the nervous system. They shed their exoskeletons periodically and form new ones which accomodate their growth. But that growth is limited by the efficiency of their electrical systems. So today, they are small; but back then, when the efficiency was significantly higher, their bodies were correpondingly larger. It is also true that insect sizes today are limited by the amount of oxygen they are able to take in through the spiracles in the sides of their abdomens and then diffuse through their bodies by their multiple tracheae. But research has shown that the tracheae themselves will enlarge and branch out to accomodate a larger size if other factors allow this. The prime factor is the limitation imposed by the nerve impulse system. When that is more efficient, larger tracheae will not be a problem. As for the dinosaurs, when the ZPE strength was lower, they could get a message from tail to brain in times approximating to 1/10 of a second.

The conclusion is that the EU proposal involves far more than just plasma physics; it involves life itself. And when the additional factor of the lower ZPE in the past is factored in, a whole host of geological problems are also answered.

2012 Note: The published article Zero Point Energy and Gigantism in Fossils is highly relevant here.


Is the sun responsible for changes in radio decay rates?

Question:     I am pretty sure you have heard this, but on the off chance that you had not, I thought it worth forwarding some articles blaming OBSERVED changes in radioactive decay rates on the sun.

Is The Sun Emitting A Mystery Particle?

Mysteriously, Solar Activity Found to Influence Behavior of Radioactive Materials On Earth

The strange case of solar flares and radioactive elements

    I am wondering if they have confused cause and effect?  Perhaps they were just detecting the oscillation of the speed of light?  Perhaps the 33 day period is the frequency?  This could be driving solar activity, not the other way around. 

Setterfield: Many thanks for the links; they are appreciated, even though I do already have them. Oftentimes it is someone like you who alerts me to something happening that I need the information about.

Strictly speaking, it is not the sun which is affecting the rates of radioactive decay. You will note that the earthbound radioactive isotopes were affected 30 hours before the flares came from the sun. What is happening is that some electromagnetic pulse or some similar phenomenon is being propagated from the outer solar system towards the sun and passes the earth before it hits the sun and causes a flare. If the effect causing the flare came from within the sun, it would be propagated to the sun's surface before it got to the earth. So it is not some strange particle that is causing the effect as some suggest, but rather something that has affected the electric and/or magnetic properties of the vacuum. 

Since electron streams have already been detected coming from the outer solar system into the sun, it is likely that something similar may be the cause of the anomaly. Of course, an electron stream constitutes an electric current, and such currents in space can be of the order of a million amperes. This would locally affect the vacuum because of polarization of virtual particles and thereby change the sttrength of the ZPE locally which in turn affects the rate of ticking of atomic clocks. The electron flux would bring about a higher concentration of virtual particles through polarization and hence locally enhance the strength of the ZPE. This in turn would slow atomic clocks.

As for the 33 day cycle, you are probably on the right track in stating that it is some external influence driving the sun rather than the other way around. In plasma physics the rate of spin of the sun is also dependent upon the strength of the electric current driving the spin. If that current is modulated at a period of 33 days that explains the sun's rotation and also the effects we see in the lab. Plasma physics with electric and magnetic effects applied to astronomy, is only just beginning to explore these possibilities. So many thanks for your insights which have got me thinking further along these lines.

March 2, 2012 note: Further research regarding this question has resulted in a much more definitive answer which can be found here.


Time and Entropy

Question: Entropy and the arrow of time seem to be closely related. I have heard it said that time ticks forward because of entropy. Some have said that entropy is increasing in the universe forcing time to move forward. Do you have any thoughts on this and how it might relate to the fall of LuciferàSatan or the fall of man, or God sitting where time is not forced to move forward?

Setterfield: As far as time and entropy are concerned, there may be some common, but incorrect thinking on this matter. Time is measured, simply, by the movement of mass through space.  We live in a time/space/mass continuum, as Genesis 1:1 indicates -- all of which was created by God from nothing.  Entropy, on the other hand, is defined as increasing disorganization.  This implies everything was organized to begin with, but, as Romans 8 tells us, is now "in bondage to decay."  So time started at the beginning, but entropy would have been the result of the fall of man.

As far as God, Satan, Eternity etc are concerned, we tend to think of God as inhabiting eternity. However, in Genesis 1:1 we find the words "In the Beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So we have the calling into being out of nothing, Time (beginning), Space (the heavens) and Matter (the earth). We also throughout the Scriptures have 3 heavens mentioned, the birds of heaven (our atmosphere) the stars of heaven (outer space) and the Heaven of heavens (God's Throne). Therefore, God's throne exists as part of the present created order, and so is dependent upon time. Note that the heavens and all the host of them (the stars and the angels) were proclaimed "very Good" at the end of Creation Week. Therefore the angels themselves are time-dependent creatures like us and are limited to this time-space continuum, even though we do not know the exact location of the third heaven or God's Throne.

We are not sure of what parameters will exist in the New Heavens and the New earth. It is true that we are promised Eternal life. The understanding is that this will continue on and on forever. But does that mean there is no time? The Bible says that God is Eternal and so will continue to exist for infinite ages into the future as well as the past. But that is different to saying that he inhabits Eternity. In fact, there is only one place in the whole Bible where we are told that God "inhabits" Eternity. Indeed, that is the only time that the word Eternity is used in the Scriptures, namely in Isaiah 57:15. The Hebrew word there is "AD" which means a terminus, an advance, a duration, old, or perpetuity. It comes from the word "ADAH" meaning an advance, to pass or pass on, to continue,to remove, to bedeck onself, to pass by or take away. Therefore, we may be looking at an incorrect translation. This is freinforced by the fact that there are two words translated as "everlasting." One is "OLAM" which can mean "vanishing point" or "Ages". The other is "QEDMAH" which means east, or antiquity. Finally, in the New Testament, Eternal Life is defined in John 17:3 as "knowing Jesus Christ and the Father."

So Eternity as a concept as being something distinct from time may also be incorrect. Indeed, in Ephesians 2:7 we are told that when we are seated with Christ in the New Heavens God will show us His grace and kindness throughout "the ages to come". This implies that there is some measure of time involved, and therefore our concept of Eternity as distinct from time may need to be adjusted. The Tree of Life gives its fruit in season. There is a river flowing from under the Throne. These things indicate the movement of mass through space. So there is some sort of 'time.' It just may not be as we understand it now.

Bradley's Measurements Questioned

Question: I am struggling with Bradley's calculation of the speed of light. As far as I can tell he assumed a solar system at rest (which in literature never seems explicitely stated) when he calculated the 301000 km/s. Right? I believe if he had taken a moving solar system (of unknown
velocity) into consideration, he should have arrived at the conclusion that the speed of light is (at least at his times) undeterminable.

Also, I am wondering why everybody seems to overlook this fact.

Setterfield: Thank you for your comments and questions. As far as the calculation of the speed of light by Bradley and his method are concerned, some comments are important.

While it is true that the sun and solar system are moving through space at a definite speed and in a definite direction, that does not alter the validity of Bradley's results or those from that method. The reason is that what is being measured is the size of the long axis of the ellipse traced by stars annually. The size of the ellipse is governed by the difference between the earth's orbital motion in one part of the year compared with 6 months later when it is moving in the opposite direction. This difference is independent of the speed of the solar system. It is this difference in the earth's velocity that is being measured compared with the (essentially constant) speed of light over that same period. This difference in direction of motion causes a star to trace out an ellipse, while the actual velocity difference governs the size of the long axis of the ellipse. I trust this helps.

The Large Hadron Collider

Question: As a concerned Christian I am noting the news surrounding the Large Hadron Collider on a daily basis. Short on fact and with much public opinion, I was wondering if you might share your insight with me or point me to a source of reliability please?

Setterfield: It is certainly true that there is a  lot of hype associated with events in Europe with the Large Hadron Collider. It has been stated that it has confirmed the existence of the Higgs boson. But this is only a probability thing. The particle in question would have existed for an infinitesimally short time and then decayed to photons of energy. All that has been picked up are photons with the likely energy among a whole field of others. The whole issue depends on the science of mathematical probability; in this case the probability of finding photons with the right energy from other processes is the key. Some scientists want a higher probability that something actually caused those specific photons before being convinced. As a result, they believe there may be reason to doubt this much publicized discovery. It is this probability process which is applied to the mass of data to tease out items of potential significance that result in any "discovery".

There has recently been an upgrade to allow it to operate at even higher energies. This has been done with the hope that it may reproduce some of the conditions which were expected to exist at the moment of the inception of the cosmos. Whether or not this is achievable is a matter of debate.

Even if this is not achieved, it is hoped that some strange particles might emerge from the collision process. If the right ones can be found, it might give a clue as to whether or not so-called "string theory" and its proposed extra dimensions can be backed up by experimental data. Up to this moment, that has not happened. It currently looks like an elegant mathematical theory without any hard physical evidence to support it. But some of those involved with string theory claim that its mathematical elegance is sufficient proof of its validity!

There has also been some loose talk about the machine being capable of generating miniature black holes. This is very much to be doubted. So, unless the report you read actually comes from a reputable science organization or a recognized university of similar college, I would generally ignore it, with the possible exception given below..

You ask for a link. The first one below is to the CERN facility itself which would announce genuine discoveries or at least possible discoveries. The second is to the BBC Science page which also includes a lot of environmental stuff. But I would expect any important development to be announced there as well. But there is the likelihood of some scientific speculation as well , so just read carefully!

The Large Hadron Collider

Large Hadron Collider

I hope that is a help.

The Higgs-Boson

Question: "The model" says that the Higgs-Boson is supposed to exist, then a few TeV later they say they found it. "The model" also says dark matter is supposed to exist, and I understand you say that that's not the case. What's going on here? Did they really find the Higgs-Boson? Apparently the proponents of the model have enough influence to get the bucks for all those TeV, and even more, so I don't expect I'm going to get an unbiased explanation of the options.
The math totally baffles me, but you have such a way with explanation, that I thought you could simplify the issues here.

Setterfield: Many thanks for your e-mail; it is appreciated.

As for your comments, several issues are of importance here. I have just read a popular article about the Large Hadron Collider and its re-opening this week (March 2015), and all sorts of claims were made. These popular articles are not serious science and build a lot on speculation. Science promotes this sort of activity so that they can get funding for further research. It is true that something like the Higgs boson has been found, but the scientific literature has doubts about several aspects of this. Nevertheless, the fact that a similar particle exists does not prove that it supplies mass to other particles as standard theory demands. That is unproven and unprove-able at the moment.  Much earlier I made the comment, as did other SED physicists, that even if the Higgs was proven to exist, it does not invalidate the SED physics position. However, the onus is now on QED physicists to show exactly how the Higgs supplies mass to other particles, as the SED approach is clean and simple: it is the jiggling of the Zero Point Energy on all sub-atomic particles which imparts kinetic energy to them which then appears as mass. This is straightforward physics. The Higgs on the other hand requires a "sticking factor" which is different for different particles and no-one knows what governs the "sticking". But without the sticking, mass cannot be imparted by the Higgs, so it seems that the QED physicists have still got a long way to go. These problems are never publicized, only those things which agree with the prevailing paradigm.

The articles also mentioned parallel universes, black holes and "rainbow gravity". All these concepts, we are told, will be "proven" if black holes are found at a certain energy in TeV in the collider. It is a good umbrella claim. But even if a black hole was formed, this would only prove that black holes were electromagnetic in origin. They would not be gravitational (and hence based on relativity) since the collider is an electromagnetic machine. Black holes as such only exist in the physics of a gravitational universe. In plasma physics, there is an equivalent, a plasmoid which can have jets emanating from its poles. But electromagnetic plasmoids have entirely different characteristics to a gravitational black hole. Plasmoids do not indicate parallel universes exist or suggest rainbow gravity is correct. So even if a plasmoid is made in the collider, it will not prove their esoteric theories. However, these scientists will want to build something that will prove their theories, and so further funding will be needed.

By the way, the idea of rainbow gravity was introduced to try and harmonize relativity and quantum physics. The two approaches are entirely different and it would be amazing if they actually obtained data that really did prove the concept was correct. The plasma physics model based on the Zero Point Energy harmonizes both relativity and quantum mechanics by an entirely different approach to both. As a result, I will be interested to see what actually emerges from these experiments in the way of hard data, and not just hand-waving popularizing comments.

Non-Orbiting Electrons?

Question: According to Johann Marinsek (Austria) he is of the opinion, that the atom has no orbiting electrons, but that they are magnetically bound to the nucleus.  Marinsek`s theory is not that of Charles and Joseph Lucas. In addition, Marinsek supports a plasma/electromagnetic universe and is of the opinion, that inertia of atoms is a matter of resistance to a "vacuum" medium and not an intrinsic property of matter.

My question is: Does your model of radioactive decay also work with atoms when the electrons do not orbit the nucleus but are somehow directly connected with the nucleus?

Harmut Müller developed a vacuum with standing waves in which waves with different amplitude are overlaid resulting in a logrythmic increase or decrease in energy density. It seems to me that that might also explain an increasing or decreasing ZEP density with the passage of time. Thank you very much for your reply.

Setterfield: To answer your first question, there are several problems if electrons do not orbit the nucleus but rather are closely associated with the nucleus itself. This would preclude the process of photon production which occurs when electrons fall from an outer orbit to an inner orbit. Another mechanism must be found that is in agreement with the math associated with the Rydberg constant as evidenced by the spectral lines produced. This is difficult using magnetic fields.

In addition, you ask about radioactive decay under those circumstances with electrons and nuclei closely associated. This arrangement would prevent the electron or K-capture events happening as outlined in the Cosmology and the Zero Point Energy (which you ordered and is on the way to you)  in Chapter 8 Section 5, which I will leave you to read for yourself. So one whole segment of atomic physics will also be affected.

As far as the approach to the vacuum energy by Harmut Müller is concerned, there is a major problem in maintaining the frequency cubed distribution of the ZPE uniformly throughout all space and all time under these conditions. As you say there would be huge fluctuations of the ZPE strength, and this would occur both locally and over time. The amplitude variation model would not seem to permit the observed uniform increase over all space and time that can be reproduced mathematically and still maintain the frequency cubed dependency Even the Casimir effect measurements should reflect the fluctuating ZPE if that model is true, but no such fluctuations have been measured. The behavior of the ZPE and its origin and characteristics are given in the Monograph in the Introduction and in more detail in Chapters 1 and 2. I trust you find it a satisfactory treatment and from there appreciate the difficulties associated with the amplitude variation model.

I hope this has helped.

Gravity, Light and Time (this is from a student Barry had a couple of years ago)

Question: Is light effected by gravity?  Also, is time effected?  I do not believe time is effected by gravity, but what can you tell me? Thanks

Setterfield: If you want the long answer, go to my Monograph chapter 7 on the ZPE and Relativity particularly sections 3, 4 and 5.

The short answer goes as follows. Remember the ZPE, and remember that it causes subatomic particles to "jitter" as the waves of the ZPE impact on them. As they "jitter" they give off a secondary radiation which locally boosts the ZPE strength. Thus, around massive bodies, the local strength of the ZPE is greater than in the depths of space.

Remember, too, that the light speed depends on the strength of the ZPE, with a stronger ZPE gives a lower speed of light. It therefore follows that the speed of light will be slower around massive bodies because the ZPE strength is greater.

Remember,finally,that atomic (not orbital) clocks are affected by ZPE strength. As the ZPE builds up, the rate of ticking of the clock slows down. Therefore deep in a gravitational field, atomic clocks slow down. However, the rate of ticking of orbital clocks remains unchanged. It is only atomic clocks which are affected by factors related to the ZPE, gravity and so on. There is experimental evidence from the GPS system that these effects are real on the atomic clocks which they use there in orbit around the earth in our gravitational field.

I trust that is a help. If you need further information, please get back to me.

The Roger Shawyer EM Drive engine

Question: Is the Roger Shawyer EM Drive engine for real? If so, can you explain how it works?

Setterfield: The brief answer to your question is that it is yet to be proven to work by independent researchers. It is true that there have been several articles about it, including one in New Scientist which gave a positive write-up on a very controversial topic. It is true that research is continuing in this area, and that a lot of money is being spent. However, the results so far obtained are far from conclusive. Even if they were, they would need replication by other laboratories before they could be accepted. So far this has not happened.

The second aspect of the problem is that there is very little basis in theory as to why such a system might work. The inventor claims it is due to the shape of the cavity and the effects of the virtual particles in the vacuum. So far this explanation has not been satisfactory and is not usually accepted. A semi-technical summary can be found on Wikipedia.

Even if you do not understand all that is being said, the general tone of the article will give you a feel for what is happening. You can be sure that if this method really worked, NASA would be using it for space-craft immediately. It is because NASA is so desperate for a propulsion system using less fuel that they encourage some of these groups. It is theoretically possible to get energy from the vacuum, but this particular method is really suspect, because the principle of conservation of energy is violated. 

Speed of Light and Seismic Activity

Question:  The seismic activity has increased lately. It is said that it may come from higher internal temperature in the mantle. Isn’t that only possible if radioactivity have increased? If so, the speed of light may have increased. Has somebody tried to measure the speed of light lately?

Setterfield:  Thanks for your question. You state that seismic activity seems to have increased lately and that the suggested cause is a rise in temperature of the earth's mantle. You then suggest that this temperature rise may be due to an increasing speed of light. For this reason you ask if the speed of light has been measured recently.

The answer is that I am not aware of the speed of light being measured recently; at least not directly. The situation is that the speed of light is now designated as invariant and is assigned a fixed value which will never change. Under these conditions, scientists feel it is unnecessary to re-measure something that was accurately determined some time ago. The only way in which a change in the speed of light may be discovered without measuring it directly is by a change in some secondary associated constants, provided that they are still being measured.

However, as far as the root of the question is concerned, it is perfectly possible for mantle temperatures to be increasing without the speed of light varying. The reason is that the earth interior is heated by radio-active decay, and that decay is ongoing as the ongoing process does not depend on variation in the speed of light. Once the properties of the vacuum, which are controlled by the Zero Point Energy, stabilize after a ZPE increase, the speed of light stabilizes. However, so does the rate of radio decay; the decay is ongoing but at that newly stabilized rate. As long as radio-decay is ongoing, heating will continue to occur and the mantle will become more mobile, and we can probably expect more earthquakes as a result.

I hope that answers your question.

Vacuum Decay?

Question: I recently read a book with the major premise of dealing with the despair of the vacuum decay death of the universe. It seems to me that if SED is correct and ZPE is actual, that this particular problem might disappear. Is this a correct assessment?

Setterfield: The idea of vacuum decay death appears to be well summarized in the "Cosmos" article published in September of 2015 on Vacuum Decay.

From there it is quite apparent that everything is based on the Higgs field and its potential (energy) which is meant to fill the vacuum. The Higgs field is an artifact of QED physics with a dash of relativity mixed in. Both appear to be heading in the wrong direction if SED physics and the Zero Point Energy (ZPE) analysis of the situation is correct. In this alternate approach, it is the ZPE fields, waves and virtual particles that determine the properties of the vacuum and its behavior. The Higgs does not even enter into consideration in this scenario. 

Using the ZPE therefore overcomes the speculative end of the universe via the Higgs mechanism. However, note something about the ZPE. It has been shown to support all atomic structures right across the universe. This is in line with Hebrews 1:3 where we are told that the Lord upholds all things with the word of His own power. Part of that power is the ZPE which came as a result of Him stretching the cosmos. Now, IF the ZPE was suddenly withdrawn by the Eternal, then all atomic structures would fold up immediately in a huge conflagration. This seems to be very similar to what Peter is talking about in 2 Peter 3:12. 

So the conclusion is that you are basically correct in your assessment of the situation with SED physics compared with the standard QED model. The SED approach allows for the intervention of the Lord at the moment of His choosing.

Time for Crystal Formation

Question: In the Naica caves in Mexico, there are huge crystals almost 40 feet long. How can these form in just a few thousand years? Here are the articles I found: Cave of the Crystals and
Naica's crystal caves

Setterfield: Thanks for your input and question about the huge crystals, (up to 39 feet long) and their formation time (estimated at about 300,000 years) found in the Naica crystal caves in Mexico.

You asked how it was possible for these crystals to form on a shortened time-scale.

The crystals are of hydrated calcium sulfate (usually called gypsum or occasionally called selenite) and originate from the calcium-rich limestone strata in which they formed. Limestone (calcium carbonate) is readily soluble in water. The high sulfur comes from the magma which originates in the geological fault-line system near them. The water percolating near the magma dissolves the sulfate ions (and may form sulfuric acid) and mixes this with the limestone to form the calcium sulfate which then precipitates out as the crystals. The circling water in the system supplies the water of crystallization.

The key thing which determines how fast the crystals grow is the supply of water, either from the ground or from the magma or both. Originally, water flow rates were much higher both with the magma and with the ground water after the Peleg continental division. Both water sources were saturated with the various ions needed to form the crystals, so they formed rapidly. More water with a high concentration of ions inevitably means faster crystal growth. Many estimates of formation time are based on the current water supply rate. If that was higher or faster, or if the ion concentration was greater, the crystals would form more quickly.

The fact that radiometric dating has been used means that the ZPE conversion must be applied and that brings us to a maximum of about 5000 years ago for the origin of the crystals.This is about the time of the Peleg continental division. This is also in line with the originally faster water flow and higher chemical saturation. The exact factor for faster crystallization depends on the two different quantities so cannot be stipulated with certainly, but a rough calculation shows it is easily possible in the time available.

Questions About CERN

Question: Anthony Patch has stated that CERN is dealing with opening a portal for spirit being to invade earth. He has also said he thinks CERN will be used to resurrect Nimrod. Can you respond to this?

Setterfield: First, there are already plenty of spirit beings in the world now. They don't need any special 'portal.'

Note the use of the word "portal" simply means "window" and does NOT have implications for the spirit realm as is becoming popular these days. I believe that Anthony Patch has read too much into the statements by scientists on this matter.

Furthermore, there is a lot of hype from Anthony and others about what is going on at CERN. There is NO attempt from there to create an interplanetary Birkeland current. Such currents already exist in space naturally and can occasionally cause interplanetary lightning bolts when planetary plasma-spheres line up and discharge.

Quantum computing is still in its infancy and while some few models have been produced experimentally, it is unlikely that CERN has actually employed one of these machines on a full-time basis. It is entirely hearsay to suggest that it has. Despite their capabilities, it is extremely fanciful to suggest that such computers can supply the key to the bottomless pit. In the Bible, it says that it is an angel who holds that key and releases the demons, NOT any human agency. Therefore it is unscriptural speculation that suggests that the activities taking place in CERN will result in the release of the demons there. The truth is spectacular enough without this barrage of unreliable information about CERN.

As far as your questions about CERN are concerned, you might find this link to our website helpful:


Furthermore, this link about the Higgs Boson may be useful:


Others that may help are:



As far as other dimensions are concerned, this link on our website may be useful.


Be aware that the LHC has NOT yet produced any evidence for extra dimensions - it is only a vague hope that it might support string theory. Therefore, I find that the claims of Antony Patch are not accurate and should be treated with extreme reserve.

Origin of our Magnetic Field

If I might paraphrase your question, you ask if the fact that the earth started off cold, would mean that there would be no magnetic field to protect the earth from undesirable radiation. The question arises since it is standard modelling to have the magnetic field originate in the currents in the liquid outer core.

In response, several facts need to be taken into account. First, while it is true that the earth and planets started off cool, radioactive decay in the cores and interior was very rapid. To gain some idea of how rapid, we note that by the third Day of Creation Week, springs and geysers were bubbling and leaping up from the earth interior to water the face of the ground (Genesis 2:5-6). This means that the radioactive heating was sufficiently rapid, due to a very low ZPE that it drove the water of crystallization from some of the mantle rocks. If that happened there, then the outer core was already fluid with currents being generated by rotation and motion of particles due to heat, convection, etc Thus a magnetic field could easily have developed before the end of Creation Week and probably before the 3rd Day. Similar events were happening on all the planets.

The second fact that needs to be pointed out is that there are other options for the origin of the magnetic fields of planets. Some creationists have their own proposals, while secular scientists from the Electric Universe community have proposed an induced magnetic field from the electric current in the filament from which the planet formed. That would also have been there from the beginning.

The third point is that the plasmaspheres of each planet were there from the beginning as an external feature of their origin from a plasma filament and the electric currents involved.Thus, in the case of Venus, even though its magnetic field is extremely weak, its plasmasphere still is present and we have detected "stringy things" from that plasmasphere reaching to the Earth's orbit. That being said, it is also true that a planetary magnetic field will also enhance the action of a plasmasphere. In every case, the plasmasphere protects the planet from external radiation.

So you have a variety of possibilities to choose from. In fact, there is probably an element of each to make up the complete picture at the end of Creation Week.So the difficulty seems to disappear. when a more complete picture is formed from the data.